clinton was there the day before, nelson mandela took him as president of south africa on a tour of robin island where he was in the cell for, what, 16 years. >>> and there were reports during that time on robben island, there were reports of that. he said that's ridiculous. this is a new south africa. he was totally confident in the face and people of south africa. >> el had had -- if you had just done the greatest negotiations ever, to hand over power peacefully, without undue compromise, but with sufficient compromise, i think that he understood that he was giving those generals more than a place in the sand. he was giving them the freedom to be human. he was enjoying his freedom to be human. nelson mandela had this art of being ability to seduce loyalty, to be able to charm his way. no threats, just to show himself as a human being with all these vulnerabilities and frailities, and to inspire that confidence. the most important thing that each one of them, as well as those who ran the apartheid government, said we can work with this man, and when they had that, i think everything beca